Study Session 3/29/16 Redmond City Council Chambers 7:30 PM


Video link is here: (video not uploaded at posting time)


Agenda is here (with links to documents but not all presentations)


If you click on the agenda items, various documents will appear on the right bar.  You can click on these documents to see various reports, graphs and other information.


Mayor Marchione made a brief statement to open up the meeting discussing the change in discussion dates for Encampment regulations for an April 12th Study Session.  No vote date has been set at this time. (See Ordinance 2775)

City Council Retreat Follow Up


This discussion did not address encampments or regulations (as mentioned above), however there were discussions about regional issues, the Task Force (regional and local), police enforcement.


Points that struck me:

  1. Homelessness is a regional issue (not just Redmond)
  2. California, Oregon and Washington have recorded an over 100% INCREASE in homelessness statistics; however the remainder of the country shows a decrease rates.
  3. “Cannot arrest ourselves out of the problem”.


It is interesting to note that both Kim Allen and Hank Myers looked DIRECTLY AT ME (there was no one at the presentation table) when speaking about communication and encampment issues.



Communications were discussed in a variety of ways, including “One Pagers” for several issues and events happening in Redmond over the next few years.  “One Pagers” have been created (but not public yet until reviewed and approved) for:  Two Way Street Conversion, Downtown Park, Homelessness, Affordable Housing, Environment, Traffic and Infrastructure, Safety, Overlake Village and Recreational Facilities.


10 more “One Pagers” in development


Develop Council strategy and “Best Practices” for social media pages

Several councilmembers were reluctant to delve into the social media ‘quagmire’

Not everyone is on Social media

A good way to ‘lurk’ but not a place to comment


“If people are uninformed, then debate on social media or email may be negative” (re: Marijuana Retail/Planning Commission fall-out between Hank and myself)


City-wide E-newsletter mid-May, twice a month.


Town Hall Meeting, April 28th, Audubon Elementary, 6-7:30 PM

No tape or streaming planned

(recording is intimidating, wanted a less formal approach)

30 minute reception

Mayor brief statement

Talking points

Short Q&A session


The Kirkland Association Neighborhood template was mentioned;


Council congratulated themselves and staff on having better communication in the last 9 months to a year than before.


“Downtown Projects” (includes Downtown Park, Couplet Conversion)


Recommended detour is Bear Creek Parkway (past Kentucky Fried Chicken through the ‘back’ of Redmond Town Center) to avoid construction from June 2016 through summer of 2018.


Peat removed from Downtown park beginning June 22nd and will be closed through Summer of 2018.


“Redmond Way will be a ‘bear’ during process.”



“Affordable Housing”


Lengthy discussion on the graphs and charts for this presentation.  The biggest NEED for housing is for those under the 60% median range; making less than $42,000 a year.


32% of jobs in Redmond pay LESS than $50,000 annually; half of those less than $25,000.


According to King County Affordability guidelines for 2015, $89,600/year is the median income for a family of 4.  Average rent (no mortgage rates given) is $1,600 per month.


“Cost Burdened” families spend 30-49% for housing costs; “Severely Cost Burdened” spend over that.


King County lists Affordable housing needs of 13% for those in the 30% median range, 11% for 30-50% median, 16% for 50-80% median and 10% for those making more than $75,000 a year.


Redmond’s availability for all but the 80% median and above were very low.  Discussion about making ADU (“Accessory Dwelling units, MIL apartments or in-house rentals) more attainable for existing homeowners; land use density (more or less) and possibly multi-family property tax exemptions.


Supply problem, not demand problem.



Redmond City Council Wiki” (address to be linked on City of Redmond webpage when available)


Not available for public yet; still working out some bugs.  Best use on IE or “Edge”; unstable on other browsers.  Council only edit; no public editing.

Many topics of interest including a section on Abbreviations, type of government, process, etc.



“Council Talk Time”


New 520 Bridge Grand Opening on April 2nd

Recycling Day April 2nd

Wastemobile April 1-3rd

EdHNA Meeting on Thursday, April 7th



Not discussed during the meeting, but on attachments under “Affordable Housing” — No Camping Ordinance, Ordinance #2775 (the link appears to have disappeared)




“9.33.035 Enforcement. Law enforcement officers shall not enforce RMC 9.33.010 and 9.33.020 when there is no available overnight shelter. “Available overnight shelter” means a public or private shelter, with an available overnight space, open at no charge to an individual or family unit experiencing homelessness. If an individual or family unit cannot use available space because of the individual or family member’s sex, familial or marital status, religious beliefs, disability, or a shelter’s length-of-stay restrictions, the space should not be considered available. The space would be considered available if the individual could not use the space due to voluntary actions such as intoxication, drug use or unruly behavior. “



It was an informative evening, but left me with a very heavy and grieving heart.

I didn’t expect Redmond to always be a sleepy farming town with one traffic light forever.  But so many things have changed in the 30 years I’ve lived here that the Redmond I love is really no longer recognizable.  It occurred to me last night that people are more concerned and wounded over a garbage man that doesn’t take the time to wave at a toddler or that the school doesn’t recognize a specific holiday in a calendar than we are about the number of people that we no longer recognize in town anymore.  Anyone mentioning their surprise at long-term encampments or discarded syringes or traffic jams in residential areas are ridiculed and intimidated as being uncaring, clueless and naïve. 


The logistics of Ord. #2775 is overwhelming.  RPD will need to know the status of available shelter prior to removing or enforcing removal of transients from property every single day.  I cannot even fathom the time this will take for our officers who are already taking on extra duties and being asked to not arrest or enforce currently existing laws.  And, although I find it sad to be homeless with nowhere to go; I find it even more alarming that RPD will be allowed to just let transients remain where they are; another beacon for people to find their way to Redmond where they can camp with few consequences.


Questions I had during the meeting:

When is information for review sent to the council members for Study Session?

Is the April 28th Town Hall JUST for the community of Audubon or for the entire City of Redmond?

What is “PAF”?

How does the City plan on communicating with residents in the future?

Redmond has a RADIO STATION???

How many shelters are available in Redmond?  How many beds?


Things I’m working on


I’ve got quite a few things I’m working on, but none of them are complete enough to post; so here’s a “tease” of what’s coming up:

1) Process of Issues from Planning Commission to Council to Council Meeting — I’ve got most of the information down, but I’m just checking some facts and getting a few details cleaned up.  Basically, this is what happens to an “issue” after the Planning Commission gets it.

2)  City Council Voting Record — there is no actual report on the voting record of the Redmond City Council, so yours truly is going through the minutes of every meeting.  I finished 2010, so I have to figure out how to put it in a readable format and possibly links to the Ordinances, etc. that are discussed.  I’ve requested years 2000 – 2009 from the City Clerk’s office which she’ll send me based on a Public Records Request.  Years 2010-current are available online.

3)  Quarterly Book Review — the books I’ve read so far this year.  Doesn’t include the books I’ve read on my e-reader, but my goal is to read classics this year.  I was going to wait until the end of the year, but I think I’ll make it a quarterly review.

4) GOP Caucus – Legislative District 2016     I made some notes during the 4 hour (plus) caucus.  And, of course, I have an opinion and some suggestions.

I’ve got other things going too, but that’s just what’s pushed up to the top.

Thanks for reading!

Speaking to the Redmond City Council


Tonight was my first time speaking in front of the Redmond City Council, Mayor, City Commission staff and an audience.  I’ve written emails, talked in person to and written ‘Letters to the Editor’ of the Redmond Reporter.  I’ve watched meetings online and attended them in person.  But tonight, was a first for me.

I’ll take a brief moment to thank my Rogue River High School speech teacher, Mr. Rolph.  Brief, because although he embarrassed me horribly during one of my speeches, completely throwing me off and then giving me a horrible grade because I couldn’t regain my composure; that moment has stayed with me forever.  Negative reinforcement to not ever to that again.

I wrote my speech 3 times, more if you count the times I wrote it in my head and in the shower.  The first time the words hit the electronic page on my laptop, I had a lot of emotives in the words.  Words like “Disappointed, discouraged, angry, and astounded” formed the basis for my 4 minute speech.  I let it sit, as I do most of my writings, for a couple of days.  The words bounce around in my head and some of them are replaced with other words.  Some of the words are snotty enough to stick their tongue out or wag a finger at me, others just crawl away and disappear.

Then, one morning in the shower, a new speech started in my head.  So, after I finished my morning stuff, I sat down with a cup of coffee and wrote it all down.  (I am amazed that so many of the things I write actually come to me in the shower.  I’m barely awake and could hardly, if pressed, form more than one or two coherent words before the shower is finished, let alone before at least 2 cups of coffee.  But, my muse apparently lurks in hot water and steam.)

I have 4 minutes, and I have no idea how many words that is, so I decide to video myself (shudder) with my phone camera which has a timer.  I had to edit and shorten it about 3 times, rearrange a couple of paragraphs and finally I had it down to under 4 minutes.  A friend suggested it be no more than 3:40 in case there were interruptions during the speech as the clock runs regardless of interruptions.  I’m not sure if this friend expected cheering or jeering, but I managed to whittle it down to 3:45.  Then I deleted the video.  Because seriously, I do NOT want to look at me giving a speech from the front.  (shudder).

So, now I have TWO DAYS to obsess about it.  Two words:  EEE-EEK! (see?  2!)  There are a millions things I could say.  Are all my facts right?  What if I lose track of the pages?  Are people going to heckle me?  Will I wake up to my house TP’d some morning?  Will my son be shunned by his peers?  Maybe my….Relax.  It’s just the City Council meeting.  It’s not speech class in High School with Mr. Rolph.

I arm myself with adult clothing (slacks and a blouse instead of yoga pants and a fleece shirt), reinforce my nerve with a Vente Carmel Mocha (WITH WHIPPED CREAM!) and park in the lot.  Early.  30 minutes before the meeting starts and I’m not the first one there.  Sign in and sit down.  A couple of people I know are there and as the time draws closer to the meeting time the room fills up.  A Boy Scout working on his “Citizenship in the Community Badge”.  Several neighbors.  People I recognize from various organizations (but have forgotten their names).  A businessman I’ve been communicating with regarding facts and information.

I’m the 3rd or 4th speaker and I’m nervous.  But, I get up there and I do it.  No heckling, no jeering, no buzzer.  I sit down and I’m shaking, palpitating heart and pounding in my ears.  Deep breaths.  Finish the Carmel Mocha.  Ahhhh.

Nearly 1 hour and 15 minutes of public comment before the meeting even started.  Most of them were business people or residents of Education Hill and Redmond.  Most of them were AGAINST the amendment proposal (see below).  A couple of advocates for homeless gave impassioned speeches about length of stay and compassion.  One young woman, who works for Union Gospel Mission gave a moving speech about helping the homeless, then stunned the crowd by revealing that she was the victim of one of the two documented sexual assaults by a homeless person in Redmond.

If you’d like more information on the proposed amendment, here is the link and some information:

The Redmond Planning Commission has issued a report (dated January 13, 2016) regarding amending the temporary use regulations for encampments.

So here, is my speech (before a few last-minute edits) that I gave to the Redmond City Council tonight, March 15th, 2016.

Members of Redmond City Council, Mayor Marchione and residents of Redmond, good evening. 

I have lived here in Redmond on Education Hill for nearly 30 years.  The City has changed a lot in those 30 years; adding residents, businesses and traffic to all areas and neighborhoods. 

When “Tent City” was first proposed, many of the residents on Education Hill were accordingly concerned about the temporary encampment and asked the City to reconsider their agreement with St. Jude.  That original permit was approved in December 2006 and, despite misgivings by the neighborhood, Tent City 4 began its stay in Redmond.  10 years later many of the residents near the encampment sites are still not persuaded of the wisdom or value of allowing Tent City 4 to be hosted on a continued basis; even when only allowed for 3 months.

Many of the residents here tonight did not learn of the proposed zoning amendment from the City; they were informed instead by business owners, friends and social media pages.  The City professes to follow Redmond Code by posting notifications at City Hall, the Library; a brief but tardy article in the local newspaper and a small blip on the City website.  However little effort was made to notify the residents that will actually live near these encampments on a daily basis for the proposed 6 months out of the year.

This lack of notification is just another example of the City making decisions on their own with little attempt or concern for the people who elected them.  In the past month, Mayor Marchione has notified residents 3 times of impending windstorms on the Education Hill Facebook page; however nothing on that same social media page regarding this or other proposed zoning code amendments that have longer lasting consequences and are every bit as urgent as a windstorm. 

Once again, the City of Redmond; represented by the Council and the Mayor, appears to have ignored the opinion of neighbors surrounding these encampments by entertaining the idea of extending the stays from 3 to 6 months per location.  Not only does this show an extreme disrespect to the people of Redmond, it undermines the quality of the representative government that the Council and Mayor are supposed to uphold.  Lengthened stays would increase the stay at each location to twice the amount of time allowed at any other encampment site on the Eastside.

If this amendment is passed, up to 100 encampment residents will be able to live in Redmond City limits year-round; presumably moving from the parking area at St. Jude’s Parish to the parking area at Redwood Family Church. It is absurd to entertain this idea when many of our own Redmond residents are struggling with shelter, food and healthcare.  There is barely a day that goes by where I don’t see someone on a corner in Redmond with a sign asking for money.  Our schools collect food and clothing donations which are sent home to families that need them.  If we as a city cannot take care of our own residents, how can we even consider helping people who, by their own admission, come from areas outside of the Eastside; EVEN FROM OUT OF STATE? 

I am discouraged because I believe the Council and Mayor have already made their decision in favor of the recommendation as outlined by the Planning Commission without giving serious and thoughtful consideration to the views and opinions of the residents of Education Hill and of Redmond.

I PLEAD with the Councilmembers and Mayor to REJECT the proposed zoning amendment.  Allowing up to 100 additional people to camp in parking lots year-round is of little value to the taxpayers and business owners in Redmond; and of even lesser benefit to our growing City.

Thank you.

“The recommended Zoning Code update would: allow five encampment stays under one initial permit; require no additional fees for those subsequent stays, allow encampments to stay up to six months with six months between stays, require subsequent stays send a courtesy reminder to residents of approved encampment; and reaffirm the revocability of the issued permit. The Planning Commission also proposes that permit fees should be lowered to $200/stay ($1,000 permit fee).”

You are  encouraged to communicate your opinion to the Council and the Mayor on this issue on your own by emailing:





Eric Campbell speaks at community meeting


In January of this year, a new community organization was formed; highlighting the specific issues and community of Education Hill.  This new organization is called Education Hill Neighborhood Association (EdHNA).  At this time EdHNA has an online presence through Facebook and email.

The Association’s first 3 meetings focused on a Mission and Value Statement as well as meeting residents of Education Hill and others.  EdHNA meetings are open to anyone that is interested in attending; meetings are held the first Thursday of each month, 7 PM at the First Baptist Church of Redmond, 16700 NE 95th Street.

At the February and March meetings guest speakers from the Lake Washington School District, School Board and Facilities Planning Commission gave presentations.  Speakers included Dr. Traci Pierce, Siri Bliesner and Eric Campbell.  In addition to their presentations, the speakers were available to answer questions about the upcoming Bond request on April 26th, 2016.  For more information on the Bond, you can see the LWSD Bond page here.

Eric Campbell spoke at the March 3rd meeting. Eric is the CEO of MainStreet Property Group LLC and GenCap Construction Co., leading real estate development and construction-management firms dedicated to the vision, construction, and operation of landmark properties throughout the Puget Sound Region.Eric is also a Managing Member at Insite Property Solutions, which specializes in the management of multi-family properties. In his myriad roles, Eric is widely recognized for his dynamic industry leadership. He has successfully overseen billions of dollars in real estate transactions, leading the helm in the purchase, development, and operations of award-winning, mixed-used communities.

Eric spoke to the EdHNA members in his role as a member of the LWSD Long-Term Facilities Task Force.  Most of the presentation that Eric offered can be found here.

Of interest to me, was the insight and consideration the Task Force seemed to take regarding the overcrowding issue in the District.  Several strategies have been implemented to improve the planning and construction of new and re-built school buildings, including:


  • Using design pre-work to improve design concepts and lower costs.
  • Exploring best practices in school design and lean building principles.
  • Continuing to learn from other school districts that have had success with cost-effective design.
  • Convening a small expert advisory group to review design and construction of funded projects.


New “Design Principles” have been developed, which seem to be more in line with cost effective habits instead of award-winning architecture:


Design principle Description
​Stacking buildings ● ​Eliminate or minimize one-story designs

● Change designs to increase number of stories

​Efficient and simple design ● ​Buildings designed in more compact manner, i.e., box/cube shape

● Utilize quality systems, i.e., mechanical, lighting, controls, that are simple to use and maintain

​Aesthetic ●​ Emphasis on aesthetics that are pleasing and fit with neighborhood context, but not on design awards
​Standards ● ​Clear standards for design teams to ensure commonality in construction documents and building/system solutions
​Accountability of design teams ●​ System of accountability for design teams with respect to district standards, short-term/long-term value and educational goals
​Proto-parts ● ​Re-using portions of designs or design concepts across projects
​Grouping multiple projects to the extent possible ● ​Consider combining projects together using same design team and / or contractor

And the District / Task Force has a chart that explains the cost per project for each project in the proposed Bond and even a cost comparison of building different levels of schools in different areas and districts (see page for charts).


I recommend that everyone read up on the pages that LWSD has posted on their website regarding the bond and make sure to turn in your ballot on or before April 26th to cast your vote.

LWSD Bond Request April 2016


It’s been awhile since I’ve posted; life has been busy and there hasn’t been more than a short moment to put somethings together.  However, I have been asking questions, getting information and doing research so I’ll likely post quite a few things in the next week(s) or so.

First up is the Bond request from Lake Washington School District (LWSD) that will be on the ballot locally on April 26th.  I had a long list of questions that I asked of Kathryn Reith (*), Communications Director at LWSD.

I have copied and pasted the email questions and answers, with no edits below.


Kathryn, as always thank you for providing answers to my questions.  I, of course, have more:

2)  I have been told that the refurbishment of the ORSCC will cost roughly $8 million and only seat 96 students.  

Is this cost-effective for under 100 students (3 & 4 years old) in one location due to the age and structural needs of the ORSCC? 

How many preschool children does the program expect to serve and is this the only location for the preschool program? 

Why not put the preschool program in portables on site at the neighborhood school they would be attending?

Will this require more busses (and the expense for more drivers and IA’s for the classrooms)?

What is the student to teacher ratio for a preschool program vs. Elementary?

How many classrooms does the $8 million build and what are the future plans for the building? (what will be done with the building spaces that are NOT refurbished?)

3)  Why is the District focusing on buildings for preschoolers when they will be required to provide full-day kindergarten district-wide beginning in Fall of 2016?  What will be the student increase with full day kindergarten to the District?

ORSCC answers:

Let me give you some background on this project that will answer some of your questions. It’s important to consider all options to solve our overcrowding issues in a cost-effective, responsible manner. In doing so, the Long-Term Facilities Planning Task Force recommended using a facility the district already owns, the Old Redmond Schoolhouse. Because we accepted state money to build the new Redmond Elementary School, we cannot use the Old Redmond Schoolhouse for K-12 education without forfeiting the opportunity to get state construction assistance, but we can use it for preschool. By moving 10 preschool classes out of elementary schools, we free up 10 classrooms in elementary schools for K-5 education, which will help us reduce overcrowding.

The cost is about $7.8 million. The number of preschool students that could be housed will vary depending on the level of disabilities of the specific students, which then affects class size, but the number of students served on average likely would be closer to 120. What’s important, though, is not the number of preschool students served. It’s really about the space we now would be able to use in the elementary schools by moving classes into ORSCC. Putting the preschool program in portables at the elementary school would not provide any additional space.

Preschool classes are held in seven elementary schools around the district, serving about 400 students total. This location would not be the only location for preschool. Students are all bused to their schools and IAs are already assigned to their classes so this change would not require any additional bus drivers or IAs.

Plans for the spaces that are not used for preschool have not yet been determined. The district will be working with the city as plans are developed to ensure a smooth transition. As we do in all our buildings, community use will be possible in non-school hours. Since preschool does not have after school activities, I expect there would be more opportunity for community use of this building than most school buildings.


4)   As the first new schools won’t be available until 2018 and 2019, how will the District manage the estimated 1900 new students that will enter the system between now and then (District estimates 625 students per year growth)?

The district’s short-term housing plan is designed to get us through to the fall of 2018, when the first new schools open. You can find more information on that plan here. Note: the 625 students/year is the past growth, not the projected. (Last projections were for about 1500 more students by the fall of 2018.)


5)  Why is the capacity so small for remodels of Kirk and Mead Elementary schools; and no increase for Explorer remodel?

The Kirk and Mead Elementary School remodels would both grow those schools to serve 550 students. Mead was designed to serve 449 students under current class sizes. With the class size reduction funded by the state legislature going into effect, they could only house 392 students in the same building as it is now. So we will actually be growing the school from 392 to 550.  Kirk is designed to house 414 students at current class sizes. Under class size reduction, they could accommodate 360 students. So Kirk will grow from 360 to 550.

Explorer is a Choice School: their enrollment is set by the lottery and the fact they have three multi-age classes. This project is not designed to increase space. Instead, it is simply replacing three of the oldest portables in the district that are in the worst shape.

6)  What is the capacity ceiling (assuming there is one) for elementary, middle and high schools in our District?  How many schools are at that ceiling?  For instance, the proposed, new elementary schools have a capacity of 550; is that the ceiling (the highest number of students an elementary school can be built to hold)?

There is no specific capacity ceiling. However, there are generally accepted practices on school sizes. Some of the considerations include supervision requirements, capacity of common areas (playgrounds, cafeterias, libraries, etc.), traffic impacts and impact on the neighborhood, etc.

7)  Will the District be requesting an increase in impact fees from Kirkland, Redmond and King County with all the growth that is planned for these areas? 

The amount the district can request in impact fees is determined by a King County formula. I expect we will continue to request the amount we are allowed to.

8)  Will site and construction plans/layouts be available for citizen review & comment?

The Task Force recommended continued community input and involvement in planning. I don’t know yet exactly what shape that will take but I expect there will be opportunities for citizen input along the way, whether it is before, during and/or after the development of plans/layouts.

9)  How will the location of the new schools affect traffic in the areas they serve?  Is the City working with the District to mitigate the impact?

The city and the district will work together on traffic around the elementary school in North Redmond. The other two new schools are in Redmond Ridge, which is in unincorporated King County. We will work with King County on those schools.


10)  The $398 million bond only adds 2892 student capacity (based on the #’s from this page) for specific projects mentioned.  What is the proposed capacity increase for each of the bonds proposed 2018 – 2026?  And how does that match with the proposed 32,000 student increase by 2029-2030?  By my math, that’s an increase of nearly 2300 students per year for 14 years.  (2016-2030 is 14 years; 32,000 / 14 = 2285.71 rounded up). And why is that number different than the 625/year average the District is using on the website?

The district will increase from 27,830 TO 32,000 students total. The total increase from now to 2029-30 is about 4,000 students. The 625/year average is what the increase has been over the last five years. We expect the increase in students to slow. That’s because a significant driver in our rapid growth has been the incoming classes of 2200 kindergarten/1st grade students, replacing graduating classes of 1500-1600. As those larger classes have made their way through the system, we have fewer grades with the smaller total. Once all grades have that larger cohort, we won’t see that same kind of growth. I’ve attached a chart that should help you see the impact of the proposed bonds on classroom space.

11)  How many new schools does the District plan to build in the next several bond requests?  Not remodel, enlargements or additions, but NEW?  Where is the property located for these schools and has the District begun acquisition of these sites?

The Future Projects page now has that information for projects through 2029-30. There are two new elementary schools planned for Kirkland and one more new Redmond elementary school, in addition to those on the current bond. Two choice high schools will be added: one on each side of the district. I don’t believe that land has been specifically identified for any of those projects. The district does own some land but I don’t know if the specific parcels would work for any of these needs. There is money for land acquisition being requested in each of the next three bonds.


The information page online for the Bond requests is here.  The information is updated frequently; so I recommend you check back often.

Four upcoming community meetings are a chance to learn more about the bond measure and the projects it would fund. The four meetings will take place:

  • March 15 changed to March 23, Redmond High School cafeteria, 6:30-8:00 pm
  • March 22, Juanita High School cafeteria, 6:30-8:00 pm
  • March 29, Lake Washington High School commons, 6:30-8:00 pm
  • April 13, Eastlake High School commons, 6:30-8:00 pm

More information on the bond measure is also available at


If you’d like to ask questions of the school district, board members or Facilities Task Force; contact information:

Kathryn M. Reith, APR
Communications Director
Lake Washington School District
Office: 425-936-1342
Facebook / Twitter

Siri Bliesner, District 5 (Education Hill)

Other LWSD Board Members and emails here

Janene Fogard,
Deputy Superintendent
(425) 936 – 1229

Other ways to contact the District are here


(*) I had the pleasure of FINALLY meeting Kathryn in February at the Education Hill Neighborhood Association (EdHNA) meeting.  After all the years of questions and answers, it was fantastic to have a face to go with the emails.  I appreciate her thorough and information answers to my questions.